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Re: Hit a pothole, handlebars look slightly off center. Help

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Vibration could be flatspots or dents in the wheel bearings caused by the impact.
Raise the front wheel and spin it then rotate it by hand while applying sideways pressure to get some idea if they're damaged.
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MKE PCX wrote:The forks are $103.73/ea, the steering stem is $210.18 by itself and another $6X.XX for the seals and bearings - which I'm sure are shot if the stem turns out to be bad.
I'm continually amazed at how cheap replacement parts are for the PCX. Most full size bikes, you'd never see a fork available for a hundred bucks.

Used PCX forks show up pretty often on eBay. I'd check there if you wanted to save some coin. I looked a few minutes ago for you and there were several to choose from on their site.

Personally, I'd probably just order new ones if they are only $100 each. That's an amazing price.

To make you feel better, here is the price on a new fork assembly for my BMW:

01 TELESCOPE-FORK 1 31421454701 $1432.70
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gn2 wrote:Vibration could be flatspots or dents in the wheel bearings caused by the impact.
Raise the front wheel and spin it then rotate it by hand while applying sideways pressure to get some idea if they're damaged.
The sound appears to be coming from under the front fairing.

If bearings are damaged, I'd suspect it's the steering stem bearings.

I will check the front wheel bearings though as it should be a fairly easy task.

Luckily the front axle and wheel bearing are cheap if they need replacing.
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kcpcx wrote:I'm continually amazed at how cheap replacement parts are for the PCX. Most full size bikes, you'd never see a fork available for a hundred bucks.

Used PCX forks show up pretty often on eBay. I'd check there if you wanted to save some coin. I looked a few minutes ago for you and there were several to choose from on their site.

Personally, I'd probably just order new ones if they are only $100 each. That's an amazing price.

To make you feel better, here is the price on a new fork assembly for my BMW:

01 TELESCOPE-FORK 1 31421454701 $1432.70
I'm guessing the purchase price of your BMW was a little higher than $3k new which is what I have into my PCX.

As cheap as parts are for the PCX, it's a tough pill to swallow having to stick money into such a new vehicle for hitting a bump that almost any other vehicle would have taken in stride.
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MKE PCX wrote:
kcpcx wrote:I'm continually amazed at how cheap replacement parts are for the PCX. Most full size bikes, you'd never see a fork available for a hundred bucks.

Used PCX forks show up pretty often on eBay. I'd check there if you wanted to save some coin. I looked a few minutes ago for you and there were several to choose from on their site.

Personally, I'd probably just order new ones if they are only $100 each. That's an amazing price.

To make you feel better, here is the price on a new fork assembly for my BMW:

01 TELESCOPE-FORK 1 31421454701 $1432.70
I'm guessing the purchase price of your BMW was a little higher than $3k new which is what I have into my PCX.

As cheap as parts are for the PCX, it's a tough pill to swallow having to stick money into such a new vehicle for hitting a bump that almost any other vehicle would have taken in stride.
Hit plenty of bumps on mine and it's been fine. It isn't a common problem but I appreciate it is yours. Not sure its Hondas problem either. Why not man up a tad, get it inspected properly, stop speculating and whining and let us know how it goes...?
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MKE PCX wrote:
kcpcx wrote:I'm continually amazed at how cheap replacement parts are for the PCX. Most full size bikes, you'd never see a fork available for a hundred bucks.

Used PCX forks show up pretty often on eBay. I'd check there if you wanted to save some coin. I looked a few minutes ago for you and there were several to choose from on their site.

Personally, I'd probably just order new ones if they are only $100 each. That's an amazing price.

To make you feel better, here is the price on a new fork assembly for my BMW:

01 TELESCOPE-FORK 1 31421454701 $1432.70
I'm guessing the purchase price of your BMW was a little higher than $3k new which is what I have into my PCX.

As cheap as parts are for the PCX, it's a tough pill to swallow having to stick money into such a new vehicle for hitting a bump that almost any other vehicle would have taken in stride.
I'm not trying to disrespect your situation. But I guess I look at things a little differently...

I don't think we can necessarily say any other small scooter would have handled that pothole you hit any differently than your PCX did. Maybe, maybe not. A Zuma 125 or Kymco Like 200 might have suffered the same fate.

Being new has nothing to do with it, really. Small scooters are designed to operate under certain conditions. It's entirely possible that any of us could hit a pothole that causes damage on any cycle or scoot. Heck, people in cars suffer bent wheels all the time from hitting potholes. I used to see stuff like this all the time when I worked for a car dealership. So honestly, I don't think there is some inherent design flaw in the PCX just by virtue of one guy hitting a hole and having a bent fork.

It sucks, for sure. I wouldn't be excited about it either. But when you look at it impartially, three things come to mind, to me. First, that PCX parts are super cheap, so this little unfortunate episode will carry a lot less pain than many scooters might in a similar situation--count your lucky stars for that. Second, if the roads really are that bad where you are, any small scooter is probably not going to cope with your riding conditions very well. Third, it could be that you just had an unlucky day and happened to hit that pothole in that one in a million way that it damaged your scooter. You could have hit that same hole 20 other times with no problem, but this just wasn't your day.

There are a lot of people on this site who are putting a lot of miles on PCXs. I haven't seen any recurring trend of bent forks. I've hit plenty of chuck holes myself with no damage so far. Until people start having fork failures on a regular basis, I'd personally chalk your damage up to a random crappy event. Things happen in life. It stinks. You deal with it, and learn from it. If it continues to be an issue, you move to a different type of cycle better suited for the type of environment you have to deal with. Again, I'd be peeved too, but until I had replaced 3 forks from hitting minor holes, I think I'd chalk this up to random you know what happens factor.

I looked up a Burgman 400 fork just out of curiosity. They run around $465. So we're still doing pretty good. Oh, and yeah, the BMW probably cost a bunch new, but in today's money it's worth about 3 grand...the same as a PCX.

Not trying to be disrespectful, as I appreciate that you have an issue here that is no fun to deal with. Just trying to put a little perspective on it.
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kcpcx wrote: I'm not trying to disrespect your situation. But I guess I look at things a little differently...

I don't think we can necessarily say any other small scooter would have handled that pothole you hit any differently than your PCX did. Maybe, maybe not. A Zuma 125 or Kymco Like 200 might have suffered the same fate.

Being new has nothing to do with it, really. Small scooters are designed to operate under certain conditions. It's entirely possible that any of us could hit a pothole that causes damage on any cycle or scoot. Heck, people in cars suffer bent wheels all the time from hitting potholes. I used to see stuff like this all the time when I worked for a car dealership. So honestly, I don't think there is some inherent design flaw in the PCX just by virtue of one guy hitting a hole and having a bent fork.

It sucks, for sure. I wouldn't be excited about it either. But when you look at it impartially, three things come to mind, to me. First, that PCX parts are super cheap, so this little unfortunate episode will carry a lot less pain than many scooters might in a similar situation--count your lucky stars for that. Second, if the roads really are that bad where you are, any small scooter is probably not going to cope with your riding conditions very well. Third, it could be that you just had an unlucky day and happened to hit that pothole in that one in a million way that it damaged your scooter. You could have hit that same hole 20 other times with no problem, but this just wasn't your day.

There are a lot of people on this site who are putting a lot of miles on PCXs. I haven't seen any recurring trend of bent forks. I've hit plenty of chuck holes myself with no damage so far. Until people start having fork failures on a regular basis, I'd personally chalk your damage up to a random crappy event. Things happen in life. It stinks. You deal with it, and learn from it. If it continues to be an issue, you move to a different type of cycle better suited for the type of environment you have to deal with. Again, I'd be peeved too, but until I had replaced 3 forks from hitting minor holes, I think I'd chalk this up to random you know what happens factor.

I looked up a Burgman 400 fork just out of curiosity. They run around $465. So we're still doing pretty good. Oh, and yeah, the BMW probably cost a bunch new, but in today's money it's worth about 3 grand...the same as a PCX.

Not trying to be disrespectful, as I appreciate that you have an issue here that is no fun to deal with. Just trying to put a little perspective on it.
No disrespect taken.

This is my first scooter. I'm used to full-sized bikes. I may have been out of line when I said any other vehicle could have absorbed the impact damage free. I was thinking that my car or Triumph would have been fine hitting that bump but that isn't fair considering the cost difference.
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I believe the PCX has larger circumferance wheels than some other 50-125cc scoots - they suffer more from the awful roads we have in London. Brent council (north london) puts in loads of speed humps but does little to fix pot-holes.
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iceman wrote:I believe the PCX has larger circumferance wheels than some other 50-125cc scoots - they suffer more from the awful roads we have in London. Brent council (north london) puts in loads of speed humps but does little to fix pot-holes.

Why isn't Honda doing anything about this?

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Should the forks be flush with the top of the steering stem or inserted as far as they'll go?

One fork top was flush the other was pushed past.

If I knew which setting was correct, I'd be able to finish up for the day.
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Well I ended up pushing both forks all the way in since it was the only way I could get both of them even. The alignment is 99% fixed now.

The steering bearings make noise but the scooter rides fine. Since I'm broke I'm going to live with it as is.

Are the wheel bearings sealed units? On the brake side, there was grease coming out of the dust seal. It could have been like that all along, but the other side wasn't the same so I suspect it's damaged.
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MKE PCX wrote:Well I ended up pushing both forks all the way in since it was the only way I could get both of them even. The alignment is 99% fixed now.

The steering bearings make noise but the scooter rides fine. Since I'm broke I'm going to live with it as is.

Are the wheel bearings sealed units? On the brake side, there was grease coming out of the dust seal. It could have been like that all along, but the other side wasn't the same so I suspect it's damaged.
Excellent result. I'd be tempted to wipe the bearing seal down and just keep an eye on it for a while
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you you wrote:Excellent result. I'd be tempted to wipe the bearing seal down and just keep an eye on it for a while
That's what I've done. There was a decent amount outside of the seal so I'm a little worried there is no longer enough behind the seal.

My factory service manual shipped today. I'll see what it says about grease on those bearings.
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MKE PCX wrote:
you you wrote:Excellent result. I'd be tempted to wipe the bearing seal down and just keep an eye on it for a while
That's what I've done. There was a decent amount outside of the seal so I'm a little worried there is no longer enough behind the seal.

My factory service manual shipped today. I'll see what it says about grease on those bearings.

You could try taking the wheel out and gently lifting the seal inner edge and popping a little grease in. Not sure it's possible but might be worth a go on an idle afternoon.

You could then check if the bearing is running freely.
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You should be able to put the bike on the centerstand, have a friend (or mate if you're on the other side of the pond) hold the rear end down, and spin the front wheel. Your brakes dragging a little is fine, but it should still spin a rotation or so. Putting your finger on the axle will help too, if you can feel rumbling, the bearings may be shot.

Wheel bearings on the PCX are sealed, and behind a dust seal. Some grease getting squeezed out from initial assembly or from wheel service isn't abnormal either.

Keep an eye on it, and ride it. It sounds like you're more or less sorted out. I'd save for replacing those steering bearings though, that could make for some hairy turning if they get worse.
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