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600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:05 pm
by hfnut
Hi everyone,
My 600 mile service is coming up soon. Is this something that I have to take to dealer to do or will it be ok to do it myself? I change my own fluids usually anyhow and I have the service manual for the Forza. My thinking is that the dealer may not really check/adjust the valves but may charge me for it. I can do this myself but I wonder if it will void the warranty if I do so. Just wondering....

Thanks,
Ron

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:22 pm
by gn2
Valve check isn't part of the first service on the Forza.
First valve clearance check not due till 16000 miles and its shims :(

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:40 pm
by Vesper2112
Speaking of... What's an average cost of servicing through the dealership? It probably won't take me long to get to the 600 mile mark (maybe 2-3 weeks).

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:54 pm
by gn2
It shouldn't be more than 1.5 hours labour plus oil and filter.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:24 pm
by BRed
For the Big Ruckus (in 2006), the first 600 mile service included a valve adjustment, crankcase and final drive fluid change for $140....
that was several years ago.

for the Forza it's only the oil and filter (~$20) and a visual check of all fasteners so I'll guess the final cost is $80-100.

If you do your own service, be sure to document it in the service log in the rear of your vehicle service contract.....
you don't have to have receipts but you do need dates and mileage with actual service performed and they need to be close to the stated service intervals.

As long as you keep good records, your warranty stays intact even if you do the service yourself.


The Forza final drive's long service interval (2 years) is a little worrisome...I don't think I'll wait that long.

The main thing is to know the complete service schedule for your scoot and then decide what you can handle and what the dealership needs to do....
some of the messy jobs, like replacing the brake fluid, front fork oil or engine coolant, are also some of the most important services and you don't want to skip or delay them.

The 16000 mile check up is the big one for the Forza and it will require more than basic vehicle maintenance skills.
Everything else + valves & belt .... it means a complete teardown of the rear body/luggage box and CVT and probably a couple of days of shop time, unless you schedule it in colder months.

This one will be expensive....plan on it. :(

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:50 am
by danieljw
remember the service needs to be registered with honda for your warranty.

if you service the bike ourself, and the service isn't registered with honda, and your engine happens to go BOOM,

honda will not cover you.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:22 am
by drol343
Hey daniejw,

So if I change my oil, and keep excellent records... I still need to register the service with Honda?

What does registering an Oil Change with Honda entail?

Thanks.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:57 am
by homie
drol343 wrote:What does registering an Oil Change with Honda entail?
you drive by Honda in this manner... it will register


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Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:09 pm
by hfnut
Well, I just went ahead a took it to the shop. The cost was $116 dollars....kinda pricy for what amounts to an oil change but what can you do??? At least the warranty is still good. Well, I guess the price wasn't too bad considering $116 dollars is equivalent to about 28 pence now :lol: :roll: Seriously, I usually go to London a couple of times a year and it was almost 2 to 1 dollars to sterling in July...ooh looky green loo paper!!!!

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:32 pm
by you you
homie wrote:
drol343 wrote:What does registering an Oil Change with Honda entail?
you drive by Honda in this manner... it will register

:D :D :D

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:47 pm
by stephen
I too rolled past 600 miles last week, so I need an oil change. I called my dealer and was quoted $65. I have the tools and materials (torque wrench, filter wrench, oil collection pan and instructions), so I think that I'll do it myself. I did it on my Zuma and my Harley with no issues.

The local Honda auto dealership does an oil change with a tire rotation for $40, but I guess that's to get people to wander into the showroom. I just hand over my keys and sit down to free coffee and a doughnut.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:19 am
by iceman
tire rotation < does that mean they swap front/back to even out wear?

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:01 am
by hfnut
iceman wrote:tire rotation < does that mean they swap front/back to even out wear?
I guess that it means they spin them whilst still on the bike!!!!! Hahaha....looky they go round and round...check....next item....

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:07 am
by hfnut
stephen wrote:I too rolled past 600 miles last week, so I need an oil change. I called my dealer and was quoted $65. I have the tools and materials (torque wrench, filter wrench, oil collection pan and instructions), so I think that I'll do it myself. I did it on my Zuma and my Harley with no issues.

The local Honda auto dealership does an oil change with a tire rotation for $40, but I guess that's to get people to wander into the showroom. I just hand over my keys and sit down to free coffee and a doughnut.
Yep, you can easily do it it yourself and save some coin. I only did it because of the warranty otherwise...no way. That will probably be the only time fir me other than tire replacement. I usually do my own valves and since I have the service manual, It shouldn't be a problem. I wonder if I could scan the section from the service manual and post it here for reference or will there be a problem with Honda for doing that?

Ron

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:50 am
by SECoda
My Honda service guy said I was registered with Honda when I bought the bike for notifications but I only need to log and date the service I do - preferable in my PCX Manual.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:42 pm
by drol343
Honda Corporate USA said:

1) There is "no" requirement to Register any maintenance you do on your scooter
2) The only way you would get into a fix, is if you did shoddy maintenance and it caused a Warranted part to fail
3) While not required, it is good to keep your receipts from any maintenance you do

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:04 pm
by homie
drol343 wrote:Honda Corporate USA said:

1) There is "no" requirement to Register any maintenance you do on your scooter
2) The only way you would get into a fix, is if you did shoddy maintenance and it caused a Warranted part to fail
3) While not required, it is good to keep your receipts from any maintenance you do
AW HA! I knew it
That moon looks pretty good right now. This does not mean you Brits are off the hook, but for the USA... more like guide lines, suggestion.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:57 pm
by SECoda
Well technically I bought the gallon of oil and plug crush washers from them so I am in their system with the order but you could buy the right spec oil somewhere else.

Re: 600 mile service question

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 11:01 pm
by iceman
Seems your very lucky in the states with service rules and warranty. Here in the UK even with regular servicing, if we get mechanical problems with bearings or such, I bet the dealer and Honda would play dumb and say 'wear and tear' and want to charge the earth.