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Not strictly PCX

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:53 pm
by FritzPinguin
but interesting anyway. The Forza is a 300cc Scooter, with ABS and other goodies. It is available in Thailand for 159,000 Baht, which is a bit more than 5000 USD. Test show the beast got a lot of storage space, runs about 140 km/h, and got enough power for longer trips. Might well become a new version of my PCX150 in the not so far future. ;)
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The LCD on the dashboard has a thirst-meter (avg. liters/km or whatever), a double trip meter, and a (HURRAY!) watch.
As you can see, the scooter has two hydraulic disc brakes. Watch a video (in Thai language) on Youtube.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:05 pm
by FritzPinguin
Sorry, I mixed up the link to the video. Please watch this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPMp9jOrP_8

Moderator, it is too late to edit, but if you mind... Thanks a lot!

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:26 am
by Taz
I want one. Has idle stop and a 12v charger too. But don't think it will get to australia till next year.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:18 am
by FritzPinguin
The 12V charger is limited to 2 Amperes, but still enough to charge your mobile, run the GPS, and whatever.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:05 am
by khaosaming
Nice pictures, thanks! It doesn't look as bulky as I thought, which is a good thing. I could see myself upgrading some time in the future. I'll just wait a while, in case any issues should arise.

The Forza shares some parts (apart from the engine) with the SH300. The exhaust/silencer is one. The engine is allegedly downtuned, so it should produce less power than an SH300. Consequently, top speed suffers a bit (expect something like 130 indicated vs. 140 on the SH).

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:30 am
by gn2
Taz wrote:Has idle stop
Are you sure?
None of the stuff I've read mentioned that.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:27 am
by khaosaming
gn2 wrote:
Taz wrote:Has idle stop.
None of the stuff I've read mentioned that.
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In the photos above there's a red kill switch button readily to be seen -- so no idle stop. For Thailand expats and Thai citizens there's one clear improvement: a halogen light bulb.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:13 am
by Dudley
What is the grey switch on the right handlebar.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:58 am
by Taz
I thought I read one review where it mentioned idle stop but can't find the site now. In searching for it I came across this site mentioning idle stop in a Forza st 11 years ago.
http://world.honda.com/news/2002/2020329.html

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:34 am
by khaosaming
Dudley wrote:What is the grey switch on the right handlebar.
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Looks like it has a triangle on it -- so it's probably a hazard light button for emergency flashers.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:10 pm
by dasshreddar
Anybody know the MPG of the new Forza?
I would like to have that kind of power, but 428lbs ouch.
Here is a silver one 8)

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:23 pm
by Cascanciu
It does look good, but I think Honda could have done it better. Much better. Just have a look at their competitors and you'll see 30 hp engines. They could, at least, have left the engine with the original 27 hp of the Scoopy, but they didn't want to. It looks like a PCX on steroids and that's the charm of it, but if it grew bigger as it did, they could have improved the wind protection. It looks, to me, like it won't be much better than on the PCX. I can live without a windscreen during the summer, and I can live with the fact of having to look for aftermarket parts if I want a windscreen for the winter, but I want proper wind protection for my legs on my next scooter.

Sorry Honda, it's your fault and not mine. I'm afraid I will be one of those customers walking away.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:48 pm
by The_Head
Looks to be inline with the Kymco downtown 300. I've been eyeing the mid-size scooters lately. I'd like to be able to go to different towns and do an honest 70 mph on a scooter. The bigger size bugs me though, it's a conundrum.

Honda does need a midsize scooter for the U.S.. Maybe they consider the PCX150 the midsize scooter of the U.S. lineup, but I'd like to see something in the 250-300 range.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:40 pm
by gn2
dasshreddar wrote:Anybody know the MPG of the new Forza?
Honda are claiming 87mpg (proper gallons)

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:41 pm
by Mel46
I have but one question. Where can you get an after market windscreen for it? If I bought one, that would be the first thing I would get. As for the weight, my Burgman 400 weighs in at 480 lbs. If the Forza comes to the U.S. , Honda would have the Silver wing, the Forza, and the PCX. All bases would be covered but Cascanciu is right. If they expect to compete with other maxi scooters they will need to offer something for leg protection and a proper windscreen. This kind of horsepower is for travelling outside of the city, so riders want some kind of protection from wind and rain. I haven't taken trips on motorcycles that had that kind of horsepower back in the old days, and it was not fun to be hit constantly with rain and wind, especially on the legs, which always ended up soaked. I would love to drive a Forza but would only buy one if I could get a real windscreen and maybe some kind of leg protection. My Burgman has that and I believe that the Silverwing has those qualities also. Honda should think about that before they offer it here.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:58 pm
by Urbanian
Mel46 wrote: Honda would have the Silver wing, the Forza, and the PCX. All bases would be covered
Silverwing is discontinued in the US

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:21 am
by khaosaming
I'm all for decently sized scooters. That is, there's a limit where a two-wheeler (more so, a scooter) can grow to. 300cc seems to be a good compromise on size and power. Once I've gotten over the PCX having a center tunnel (I prefer flat floorboards), I could easily entertain the idea of buying a 'juiced-up PCX on steroids'.

Here's a nice commercial video on the new Forza:



Specs and stuff, including accessories (a windshield amongst them):

http://www.huntsmotorcycles.co.uk/NewBi ... -forza.htm

Fitting a top box should be easier than on the PCX (no more drilling):
Fitting a top box or other accessory is dealt with by the simple removal of part of the rear spoiler cover. Range from the 11.6L fuel tank is 350km, thanks to fuel consumption of 30.8 km/l (87mpg).

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:32 am
by gn2
Mel46 wrote:I have but one question. Where can you get an after market windscreen for it?
Same place you would get one for a PCX
Mel46 wrote:As for the weight, my Burgman 400 weighs in at 480 lbs.
The Forza weighs 432lbs, similar weight to other 300cc machines.
Mel46 wrote:If they expect to compete with other maxi scooters they will need to offer something for leg protection and a proper windscreen.

People will buy it and add their own if they feel there is a need.
Looking at the shape of the Forza there seems to me to be adequate leg protection but a taller windscreen might be required for the softies.
Mel46 wrote:Honda should think about that before they offer it here.
Chances are they won't.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:52 pm
by ItsaHonda
Urbanian wrote:
Mel46 wrote: Silverwing is discontinued in the US
That is a shame... I was really looking forward to seeing what Honda would do with the next gen Silverwing to better compete against the new Burgman 650 which just underwent a nice major redesign for 2013.

Re: Not strictly PCX

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:15 pm
by happyscooter
omg i hope it comes to the u.s ill get one