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With some of the posts lately bringing up the 297cc Forza, I thought I would follow up with my Honda dealer and see when it would be available to the dealers here in the US.

BTW - I had heard originally it was going to be available in July in the US.

HOWEVER, my dealer said "no way by July". They haven't even got their order info for them yet and he said once that happens it would be 2 months after that before he would get any. So his best case would be late August or September.

It might not arrive in the US or UK till late autumn, the launch date has even been postponed in France which is almost unheard of.

I work at a Honda dealership in Florida, we put our order in this Tuesday for both the Grom and Forza, to be shipped mid to late August.

scisor34 wrote:I work at a Honda dealership in Florida, we put our order in this Tuesday for both the Grom and Forza, to be shipped mid to late August.

Is it accurate that the Forza will only come in the red, or are other colors available?

Red is the only color in the US

Any idea if the estimated 68 MPG for the Forza is based 30 - 40 MPH avg. or 50 - 60 MPH ish?

Its due in Australia in August so can't wait to see one. Needs a tall windscreen though! Colors here are white silver or black.

Jhois1 wrote:Any idea if the estimated 68 MPG for the Forza is based 30 - 40 MPH avg. or 50 - 60 MPH ish?

Not sure where you got that 68mpg figure from, Honda are claiming 3.2l/100km which is 87mpg, 75mpgUS

All Honda's fuel consumption claims are based on the WMTC standard.

Real world reports from the likes of http://www.fuelly.com and http://www.spritmonitor.de/en are usually a better indicator of what to expect.

The previous model Forza 250 achieved a real world average of 3.56l/100km, 79mpg, 66mpgUS (Linky) so the redesigned one with a more efficient engine should do better.

gn2 wrote:

Jhois1 wrote:Any idea if the estimated 68 MPG for the Forza is based 30 - 40 MPH avg. or 50 - 60 MPH ish?

Not sure where you got that 68mpg figure from...

Right here:
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/forza ... pgmfi.aspx

"With plenty of power to carry you and a passenger too, the Forza features liquid cooling and Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) for great performance. Plus Forza gets an estimated 68 MPG*!"

*Honda's fuel economy estimates are based on EPA exhaust emission measurement test procedures and are intended for comparison purposes only. Your actual mileage will vary depending on how you ride, how you maintain your vehicle, weather, road conditions, tire pressure, installation of accessories, cargo, rider and passenger weight, and other factors.

OK that explains it, the Honda US website figure is based on a different standard.

scisor34 wrote:I work at a Honda dealership in Florida, we put our order in this Tuesday for both the Grom and Forza, to be shipped mid to late August.

A bit off-topic, but what do you think of the Grom? Looks like fun to me, it has supposedly more top speed and efficiency than the PCX.

maddiedog wrote: ....what do you think of the Grom? Looks like fun to me....

Probably looks about as much fun as a circus bear on a bike.



I don't know about you, but a lot of Americans like myself do not proportionally fit on these smaller bikes as an Asian or European would. Fun? Maybe. Practical?

The Grom/MSX isn't intended to be practical, more of a modern day take on the monkey bike idea.
And its not just americans who look stupid on one.

I'm 5'10" and would probably fit fine. Sure I'd look silly on something that small, but I wouldn't care about looks as long as it was comfortable.

I like smaller bikes, they're easier to toss around and just have fun on. If I got a Grom, it would just be for silliness and the occasional 1-up trip.

maddiedog wrote:...what do you think of the Grom? Looks like fun to me...

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Honda is fun. The Grom is a Honda Wave in disguise. Should be a great ride. The engine is made to last.

A couple new photos on the Forza...looks nice

Here's a nice video in French.

http://youtu.be/h6vrUCRvHd0

Does anyone know if the Forza seat hump can be removed for tall riders? I got a dealer to remove the hump on a kymco downtown 300i and it was still comfy and I could sit further back so knees didn't hit handlebars or dash!

Don't know about the Forza hump, but - - -
Comparing prices in the USA, and considering as an urban commuter who actually never really needs to exceed 60 miles per hour:

Summary first:
Yes, I would love a Forza if someone else gave me the extra $2,100 to $2,600 (depending on ABS option).
I paid cash for my PCX, and that is all I could afford, and the PCX top speed is all I need.
But sure, the Forza would be cool. So would a larger motorcycle. So would a Harley.

Here are some current U.S. price comparisons, considering the Forza prices are suggested and likely:
Honda:
PCX 150 USA model
$3,449

FORZA
$5,599 no ABS
$6,099 with ABS

Comparison example:
Kymco:
150 Movie (more step-through than PCX)
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price $3,199.00

300i Downtown (looks like a Forza)
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price $5,599
Current sale Price $5,399

In summary, knowing what I know now about prices and my needs, the Honda PCX is perfect for me, unless anyone on this forum would care to kick in the extra money.
Even Kymco only gives a very modest cost saving - not all that much.

The seat hump on the Forza shouldn't be a problem, its adjustable.

If the PCX is fast enough for you its a great scoot.
If it isn't its not