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So what changes are people expecting to see other than engine changes due to Euro 4 regulations?

Embattle wrote:So what changes are people expecting to see other than engine changes due to Euro 4 regulations?

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Embattle wrote:So what changes are people expecting to see other than engine changes due to Euro 4 regulations?

OK, what is Euro 4?

I would like my missing 21cc. 300 should be 300.

I would also like the scooter to lose a hundred pounds.

And while we are being silly, let it cost a lot less.

davenowherejones wrote:

Embattle wrote:So what changes are people expecting to see other than engine changes due to Euro 4 regulations?

OK, what is Euro 4?

I would like my missing 21cc. 300 should be 300.

I would also like the scooter to lose a hundred pounds.

And while we are being silly, let it cost a lot less.

Euro 4 is a European regulation for emissions, Euro 4 becomes a requirement on motorcycles next year:

The rules vary depending on performance, but for most full-size bikes carbon monoxide emissions, currently limited to 2.0g/km (grams per kilometre), drop to a maximum of 1.14g/km, while hydrocarbon limits drop from 0.3g/km to 0.17g/km and NOx falls from 0.15g/km to 0.09g/km. What’s more, the Euro 4 also introduces a durability test, so manufacturers need to prove that their engines can still meet the limits after 20,000km of use.

There’s also an ‘evaporative’ element of the emission test, which measures vapours that come from the evaporation of fuel over a period of time when the engine isn’t running. To pass, some bikes might need changes to their fuel caps, pipes or even completely new fuel tanks.

As an example the new 2016 SH300i has had the modifications thus is Euro 4 compliant.

Euro 5 for motorcycles is due in 2020.

I once wanted it to go on a diet but there is a flip side to making it lighter, I reckon it won't handle wind quite as well.

Personally I would like to see a slight increase in cc and power, LED lights, perhaps a slight improvement in rear suspension judging from what some people say on these forums.

LED lights should be pretty easy, better suspension might cost a little more and it would be more to the point if I went on a diet.

I rather like the weight of the Forza...it sits the road really well due to the weight and as a result I feel safer when on motorways etc.. Before buying it I had read a negative report on it being over heavy for its cc which nearly put me off but glad I ignored that comment. So no-one should be put off the scooter due to weight.

The weight thing is BS from the world of top trumps.
My ones lighter than your one ner ne ner ne ner ner.
That kind of thing.

davenowherejones wrote:I would like my missing 21cc. 300 should be 300.

I would also like the scooter to lose a hundred pounds.

And while we are being silly, let it cost a lot less.

I agree dave... at least call it a Forza 280 or make it 299cc at least if it is to be called a 300.

Hundred pounds weight loss... check having the lightest 279cc scooter here (315lbs full tank).
I still wish it were sooo much lighter.
I just don't get all the complaints about wind blowing light scooters around, maybe it is the ridiculously big windscreens (sails) most people put on
Or maybe the wind just blows through my naked bikes

Cost... wish i could get my money back from honda for all the stupid accessories i'm not using... parking brake, windscreen, barends, couch seat, etc, etc.

Any bike with more body panels, such as scooters, will suffer more from cross winds and weight can counter this effect to a certain degree. My PCX certainly feels those cross winds, I think with a increase in power the forza would be even better in the power to weight ratio.

If you look at the List of Current & Former Scooters in my Signature, the ones that weren't "TRUE" to their Model Class Number were/are:

- Kymco People S200 (163cc)
- Kymco People S250 (249cc)
- Honda Ruckus 50 (49cc)
- Kymco People 300GTi (298.9)
- Honda Big Ruckus PS250 (249cc)
- Honda Forza 300 (279cc)

Most were only 1cc off of their Model Class Number, with the exception of the Kymco People S200 missing 37cc's, and the Honda Forza 300 missing 21cc's.

I, for one, would like to get most of the Forza's missing CC's back, and under the Seat where they belong! I'm good with everything else as it is.

With regards to Wind Issues, my Honda Big Ruckus PS250, was pretty much a Frame Scooter, with just a few Tupperware Panels. At 65#'s less than the Forza, it still got blown around quite a bit in 20+mph Winds. With the Forza having more Tupperware Panels, and being 65#'s more than the Big Ruckus, the Weight helps hold the Road better. I like the weight the way it is. Just add on a few more CC's, and we're good to go!

Cheers!

BB

I don't want the scooter to be any lighter. I've had 150cc scooters in the past and on windy days I could hardly ride them, got pushed around too much. I would like to have a more comfortable seat.

I hope they do LED lights and they fit to the current Forza...

I put aftermarket LED's in most of my sockets on the Forza 300. Never found amber ones yet. The headlights aren't quite right but I am sure there are better ones than what I have.