springer1 wrote:Is this serous or spoof? My totally stock 1970 Triumph 650 can't hold a candle to a modern sport bike but will hit 55 so much faster than my PCX - seriously, its a silly comparison. Hey I'm not trying to be confrontational, and I love the PCX but 13hp has its limits regardless of the type of transmission. Hell, I've been on a RD350 Yamaha that was d*mn scary to wind out in 2nd gear.
Yeah, I think [hope] they're kidding in the "compete" department. My Magna can do 65 MPH in first gear, and there's no comparison in launch factor. Even the V-twin I have will lunch a scooter without trying. It's "scooter-boy bragging," and it's all pretty entertaining...and really I'd let any of you win just because it's fun to banter back and forth. But really it's not always about the bigger engine, it's usually about enjoying being on a bike and the freedom that comes with it.
gn2 wrote:WI_Hedgehog wrote:Did you see the 165cc & 175cc cylinder kits? For $1,000 in total upgrades the PCX150 could probably compete with the $6k 300cc Forza, which to me is reasonable.
Compete...?
Err no.
The Forza is bigger and comfier with more storage, handles better at higher speeds and is available with C-ABS.
That's before you even consider performance.
175 will always be less than 279
I'm going to guess in the 125/150cc scooter realm:
- + Smaller & lighter is better.
+ Less expensive is better ($4,600 vs. $5,600).
+ Performance is relative to fuel economy.
+ Awesomeness depends on how much it's been modified.
- Handling...yeah, you got me.
Reading this awesome review here:
A stock Forza does 80-90 MPH, in 0-60 ~11 seconds. A stock PCX150 does 67 MPH in [when it gets there], one with a NCY variator reportedly can do 78, so I think a 165cc cylinder kit would get the PCX in that range, a 175cc with tuned ECU and all the goodies (about $1,000) should be well into the Forza performance category. (Not handling, that's another story, but people do hot-rod Groms, guy stopped by my house Sunday with one, quite sweet!)
The big concerns are probably head-shake and longevity, as that's a ton of power for what started as a 125cc machine. Still, cool is cool...