Idle stop worries

[khaosaming]

It just occurred to me that maybe there's a need for instructions how to prepare a new motorcycle battery.

Just make sure you have it properly sealed so the battery won't spill when placed on its side inside the vehicle. After adding water, seal it and wait an hour. Then charge it full and complete over night.

Here's a video from Youtube.
http://youtu.be/THSQtBjD1FQ

Disclaimer:
You might want to use gloves and goggles when working on the battery.

[Slickvic]

It just occurred to me that maybe there's a need for instructions how to prepare a new motorcycle battery.

Just make sure you have it properly sealed so the battery won't spill when placed on its side inside the vehicle. After adding water, seal it and wait an hour. Then charge it full and complete over night.

Disclaimer:
You might want to use gloves and goggles when working on the battery.

Doesn't Honda install from the factory an AGM Gel sealed battery that does not require liquid electrolyte?

If so, we might want to point out that out if the owner replaces theirs with OEM specified.

Disclaimer: I may be incorrect.

[khaosaming]

Doesn't Honda install from the factory an AGM Gel sealed battery that does not require liquid electrolyte?

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I guess that depends on where you live or who you buy your battery from. Chances are that you could easily find a replacement battery that needs filling before first use (sold as 'dry'). The type of battery is Yuasa YTZ6V.

This is the battery factory installed in Thailand:

[Hyadum]

That's right. Just received mine and it was dry. Came from Thailand.

[strkngfang]

I was curious why this was purposely left off the U.S. models? Even if Honda didn't think everyone would use it, the riders who chose to, could, and the others would just shut it off. When I had my Silverwing 600, I would turn off the engine at long traffic lights, providing I wasn't the lead vehicle and it saved a lot of fuel. I averaged close to 60 mpg on my SWing regularly. The crosswalk signs would begin flashing just prior to the light changing and it always gave me the time to re fire it up without delay.
Was this an added cost to omit it? It seems if the rest of the production line got it, it would have been easier to make them all the same????

[maddiedog]

GN2 has posted a few good articles on it, there were safety concerns they couldn't get past for the idle stop in the USA. Here's one of the posts I'm referencing: http://hondapcx.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t ... stop#p6288

[Slickvic]

I was curious why this was purposely left off the U.S. models????

Because the NHTSA is afraid of technology:


NHTSA puts brakes on Honda's 'Idle Stop' transmission technology.

BUSINESS WIRE — The federal government has temporarily put the brakes on American Honda Motor Co., Inc.'s next generation of "Idle Stop" automatic transmission systems for gasoline engines, and expressed overall safety concerns over "sudden lurching forward or backward" in vehicles with similar technology.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) declined to acknowledge whether Honda's transmissions are in compliance with federal safety laws.


In an Idle Stop transmission, a vehicle's gasoline engine will shut off when the driver stops the vehicle with its brake, and will automatically restart itself when the driver subsequently removes his foot from the brake.

Honda said its new technology will reduce exhaust emissions when the vehicle is normally stopped and idling and "be a safe and efficient method to conserve fuel," according to a letter to NHTSA from William R. Willen, Honda's Managing Counsel, Product Regulatory Office, Torrance, CA.

NHTSA said it "will defer an opinion" on whether Idle Stop automatic transmissions in gasoline engines meet safety requirements until Honda makes more information available to the agency. But NHTSA did conclude the Idle Stop transmission for Honda's hybrid electric vehicles does meet automotive safety compliance standards based on information provided by the automaker.

NHTSA also said that it is considering beginning a rulemaking to address this new technology and update its motor vehicle safety laws and has also issued a concern that this new technology must address the possibility of a sudden lurching forward of a vehicle in an automatic restart instead of the gradual creeping forward found in current transmission designs.

Besides Honda and Toyota Motor Corporation "other vehicle manufacturers are currently designing vehicles with gasoline or diesel engine and hybrid propulsion plants that operate differently but attempt to achieve improved fuel economy." NHTSA said it expects these other vehicles ... "will have safety features that prevent sudden lurching forward or backward when the gasoline engine is restarted. Such lurching is a concern because it could result in a crash."

Copies of the NHTSA and Honda letters are available at http://www.netcompliance.com.

[strkngfang]

The sudden "lurching" is all BS. Whether you twist the throttle from a stop or with the engine shut off, the result is moving forward. Nobody stated that you had to "gun" it to kick the engine back on. Another example of how the U.S. hates to be out done with technology so they forbid anything new.

[Alibally]

They have to make allowances for stupid people that might sue them if they have a freak accident.

[~Cheap_Ride~]

They have to make allowances for stupid people that might sue them if they have a freak accident.

.....and we have a winner

[skuuter]

Yep, most things here in the USA have to factor in Law Suits.....it's a way of Life here. Folks have a real problem being responsible for Their Own actions.......UGH.......