Hand Guard Protector vs bar end muff - any wrap around ones?

[iceman]

There's quite a choice of bar end muffs to help protect against the winter chill and frozen fingers - some just slip over and others fit to the bar end's themselves, but I wonder if anyone knows of hand guard protectors that sort of wrap around above and under the fingers more than the usual types. The more area protected from the wind the better, and I figure less easy for people to swipe than muffs when the bike is left parked for some time.
A fairly decent hand guard (for area covered) and cheap seems to be:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Mot ... 418ab48505
One that covers a lot of area, looks nice but may not fit the PCX and is very costly - 339 euro's! (no intention of buying this!!!) is:
http://www.mv-motorrad.de/en/R1200GS+up ... rs+Set.htm
Or you can get ones, again maybe not universal fit for PCX but includes extra lights is:
http://www.fc-moto.de/Acerbis-Vision-Handprotektoren
I've searched google / Ebay, etc, but can't seem to find guards that offer slightly more above/under protection from the wind - seems a bit strange they do not add a few extra inches of cover for little extra cost.

[DAB]

I have fitted Storm handguards, excellent fit. Got heated grips and grip puppies to fit in the near future.

[iceman]

Thanks DAB. Something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BARKBUSTERS-S ... 1815045900
A bit expensive and not sure if this is the one that will fit. From experience, would this be enough to help with frozen fingers at city speeds (30-40mph) wearing just thick motorcycle gloves? If not, I may opt for bar-end mounted bar mitts.
Thanks!

[WhiteNoise]

Iceman, of the ones you posted I like the Acerbis vision. Why not take advantage of the 2 benefits? With Protection of hands and "see me, see onward" bonus lighting? Unless you or anyone thinks the lighting sits too high that it might annoy vehicles in front of you and oncoming? Hmm How would you wire them up? They have a bar switch as well. I like them

DAB, When you do fit those "grip puppies," can you post about how you did it & how easy or hard it was to get them on? Technique or whatever it took? I have a pair of them sitting around ( so much stuff, now where did I put them?) waiting to get fitted. I've been wondering IF I should do it or not. Do we destroy our grips in the process? Geez, I've had these too long lying round (yeah, someplace) I forgot

Excuse me iceman for trailing off topic. I be bad

[iceman]

Excuse me iceman for trailing off topic. I be bad

Your not off topic and no need to apolgise.

[DAB]

Thanks DAB. Something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BARKBUSTERS-S ... 1815045900
A bit expensive and not sure if this is the one that will fit. From experience, would this be enough to help with frozen fingers at city speeds (30-40mph) wearing just thick motorcycle gloves? If not, I may opt for bar-end mounted bar mitts.
Thanks!

Go to the Barkbuster website and the version for the PCX is listed. They fit on the bar end only. Keeps your fingers dry when its raining.

[DAB]

Iceman, of the ones you posted I like the Acerbis vision. Why not take advantage of the 2 benefits? With Protection of hands and "see me, see onward" bonus lighting? Unless you or anyone thinks the lighting sits too high that it might annoy vehicles in front of you and oncoming? Hmm How would you wire them up? They have a bar switch as well. I like them

DAB, When you do fit those "grip puppies," can you post about how you did it & how easy or hard it was to get them on? Technique or whatever it took? I have a pair of them sitting around ( so much stuff, now where did I put them?) waiting to get fitted. I've been wondering IF I should do it or not. Do we destroy our grips in the process? Geez, I've had these too long lying round (yeah, someplace) I forgot

Excuse me iceman for trailing off topic. I be bad

The puppies go over your existing grips so no destruction. I stretched them a little by inserting a plug socket inside. Used a little WD40 on the grips and slid the little beggers on. I found that it was easier to pull them on rather than push. That is stand on the left hand side to install the right grip.
The main reason for installing these was to have a greater diameter grip rather than for vibration damping.

[you you]

Iceman, of the ones you posted I like the Acerbis vision. Why not take advantage of the 2 benefits? With Protection of hands and "see me, see onward" bonus lighting? Unless you or anyone thinks the lighting sits too high that it might annoy vehicles in front of you and oncoming? Hmm How would you wire them up? They have a bar switch as well. I like them

DAB, When you do fit those "grip puppies," can you post about how you did it & how easy or hard it was to get them on? Technique or whatever it took? I have a pair of them sitting around ( so much stuff, now where did I put them?) waiting to get fitted. I've been wondering IF I should do it or not. Do we destroy our grips in the process? Geez, I've had these too long lying round (yeah, someplace) I forgot

Excuse me iceman for trailing off topic. I be bad

The puppies go over your existing grips so no destruction. I stretched them a little by inserting a plug socket inside. Used a little WD40 on the grips and slid the little beggers on. I found that it was easier to pull them on rather than push. That is stand on the left hand side to install the right grip.
The main reason for installing these was to have a greater diameter grip rather than for vibration damping.

I love puppies. Any pictures?

[WhiteNoise]

iceman, Thanx Did you choose any yet?

DAB, really? WD40? hmm, kinda stinky for my leather gloves to soak up Are you joking with me?
I seem to recall reading something about using very soapy water? Okay, stand on opposite side and pull on. Good 2 know, and YES, I bought the pups for the very same reason, to enlarge grip diameter. Thanks for the tips and your quick reply!

2yous, how are ya? Raining these days? I know you like puppies. So lovable. Heh now, ya got a Pet Store near? AWESOME!! Go buys one. Yeah, take a youngin' home. Give him a hug

Oh Dear...I did it again! Sorry twice iceman

Topic is Hand Guard Protector vs Bar End Muff. I still like the lit ones

[DAB]

iceman, Thanx Did you choose any yet?

DAB, really? WD40? hmm, kinda stinky for my leather gloves to soak up Are you joking with me?
I seem to recall reading something about using very soapy water? Okay, stand on opposite side and pull on. Good 2 know, and YES, I bought the pups for the very same reason, to enlarge grip diameter. Thanks for the tips and your quick reply!

2yous, how are ya? Raining these days? I know you like puppies. So lovable. Heh now, ya got a Pet Store near? AWESOME!! Go buys one. Yeah, take a youngin' home. Give him a hug

Oh Dear...I did it again! Sorry twice iceman

Topic is Hand Guard Protector vs Bar End Muff. I still like the lit ones

I used WD40 which was sprayed on the original grips, you could use soapy water.

[iceman]

Well, damn loctite has so far defeated me and friends who aided in trying to get the damn bar ends off.
I borrowed an impact driver and used a large hammer weighing about 1 KG, and despite many attempts the only result is one screw with slight knurled edges on the thread, the other with a bit of paint off and a bit of blood drawn on the umpteenth swing of the hammer. Neither screw has budged in the slightest!
So, next I'll try a rotating half lever and bit from a socket set. If that does not work guess I'll give up. Why did they have to be fixed so tightly - a bit of glue would be enough, if any is really necessary!!!

[you you]

iceman, Thanx Did you choose any yet?

DAB, really? WD40? hmm, kinda stinky for my leather gloves to soak up Are you joking with me?
I seem to recall reading something about using very soapy water? Okay, stand on opposite side and pull on. Good 2 know, and YES, I bought the pups for the very same reason, to enlarge grip diameter. Thanks for the tips and your quick reply!

2yous, how are ya? Raining these days? I know you like puppies. So lovable. Heh now, ya got a Pet Store near? AWESOME!! Go buys one. Yeah, take a youngin' home. Give him a hug

Oh Dear...I did it again! Sorry twice iceman

Topic is Hand Guard Protector vs Bar End Muff. I still like the lit ones

Strangely enough it hasnt rained in the centre of the universe for a while. Rivers are starting to get very shallow

[iceman]

Well, damn loctite has so far defeated me and friends who aided in trying to get the damn bar ends off.
I borrowed an impact driver and used a large hammer weighing about 1 KG, and despite many attempts the only result is one screw with slight knurled edges on the thread, the other with a bit of paint off and a bit of blood drawn on the umpteenth swing of the hammer. Neither screw has budged in the slightest!
So, next I'll try a rotating half lever and bit from a socket set. If that does not work guess I'll give up. Why did they have to be fixed so tightly - a bit of glue would be enough, if any is really necessary!!!

Four of us had another go at this with the bike preped against a wall (one end of handlebars with glove over) and 2ft angled leverage with proper fitting screw end to remove the opposite bar-end screw (as impact driver did not work). Result is - screws did not move or get any worse for wear but the screw bit twisted so that it now has about a 10 deg twist! So, now given up as cannot get the ends off without perhaps drilling out an inch or so of screw, removing the bar end (if possible) thus leaving an inch of bare screw to turn. The glue used seems stronger than the steel of the bit!

[DAB]

Iceman, what type of impact driver did you use? You need and electrical one and not one that you hit with an hammer.

[iceman]

Used a manual one. Hope they are standard thread and not clockwise to loosen

[you you]

Well, damn loctite has so far defeated me and friends who aided in trying to get the damn bar ends off.
I borrowed an impact driver and used a large hammer weighing about 1 KG, and despite many attempts the only result is one screw with slight knurled edges on the thread, the other with a bit of paint off and a bit of blood drawn on the umpteenth swing of the hammer. Neither screw has budged in the slightest!
So, next I'll try a rotating half lever and bit from a socket set. If that does not work guess I'll give up. Why did they have to be fixed so tightly - a bit of glue would be enough, if any is really necessary!!!

Four of us had another go at this with the bike preped against a wall (one end of handlebars with glove over) and 2ft angled leverage with proper fitting screw end to remove the opposite bar-end screw (as impact driver did not work). Result is - screws did not move or get any worse for wear but the screw bit twisted so that it now has about a 10 deg twist! So, now given up as cannot get the ends off without perhaps drilling out an inch or so of screw, removing the bar end (if possible) thus leaving an inch of bare screw to turn. The glue used seems stronger than the steel of the bit!

Did you try putting the bit in the screw and giving it a couple of good cracks with a hammer to free any locking compound or corrosion?

[iceman]

Yes, did that with the manual impact driver using a 1KG hammer. Not budged one bit. The screw bit that got twisted is part of a set my mate has had for years and used for all kinds of car/bike maintenance - only this time did any of it suffer any kind of damage. Not sure he's more upset about the damaged part of failing to get the screws out - he does not like being defeated
Neither screw on each side seems to have moved at all - just starting to show signs of wear around the edges of the screw heads.
I think I will go with non-bar end muff cuffs (!!) or those and handle bar fixing hand guards (just to help stop wind, not protection).
I've got layered gloves for cold/wet which helps to some extent - but they start getting too bulky. Really wanted to stop the wind in near zero or sub-zero temps which I thought hand guards help achieve.

[you you]

Yes, did that with the manual impact driver using a 1KG hammer. Not budged one bit. The screw bit that got twisted is part of a set my mate has had for years and used for all kinds of car/bike maintenance - only this time did any of it suffer any kind of damage. Not sure he's more upset about the damaged part of failing to get the screws out - he does not like being defeated
Neither screw on each side seems to have moved at all - just starting to show signs of wear around the edges of the screw heads.
I think I will go with non-bar end muff cuffs (!!) or those and handle bar fixing hand guards (just to help stop wind, not protection).
I've got layered gloves for cold/wet which helps to some extent - but they start getting too bulky. Really wanted to stop the wind in near zero or sub-zero temps which I thought hand guards help achieve.

Think I'd try the releasing oil next. Repeated over a week or so. Make a pair of plasticine or tape oil "cups" and leave overnight

[DAB]

Iceman, The S7 handguards are very good and well worth the effort to install. You need to use a electrical impact driver, also if the bit twisted you are not using the correct bit as impact bits shatter rather than bend. Can't imagine releasing oil will do any good.

[iceman]

Thinking of using a soldering iron to heat the screw up - a bit like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvlSkFLgnyc