I bought this Forza 300 2nd hand less than a year ago. Everything has been working fine until 3 days ago.
I didn't switch the smart key to the proper setting and... the battery drained.
As you all know, the battery is under the seat. And the seat requires power to open up... Thanks Honda! So they created and emergency key that I wasn't given when I bought the scooter and they are impossible to replicate.
Finally I had it towed to a shop where the guys apparently took a lot of parts out in order to finally open the seat.
This is great news and bad news at the same time because, should the battery drain again, there is no simple solution other that repeat taking the scooter apart.
So I decided to replace the ignition system just so I can have this emergency key to give away when I sell this scooter next year.
Problem is, I can't find the part number for this ignition anywhere.
2018 Forza 300 nightmare
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mymitzi
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Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
Don't think we ever got that year Forza.[USA] Can you go on the Honda Dealers web site and look up the OEM part # there? Feel your pain........
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Lrhpkk
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Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
Emergency Key Set
35194-K35-V31
176 Thai baht.
From Shopee.
Complete replacement lock and 2 keys.
35194-K35-V31
176 Thai baht.
From Shopee.
Complete replacement lock and 2 keys.
Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
I live and bought the scooter in Singapore where scooters are imported either via the one official dealer or via parallel imports. The official dealer will not service anything that wasn't purchased through them. In my case, the scooter was a parallel import and the shop that sold me the scooter never received the emergency key from the original owner who sold it to them. My User Manual is in Italian!... Essentially I have no way of purchasing an original Honda emergency key.
So I brought the scooter to a shop where, after several hours, they managed to open the seat. I don't know how, but apparently they had to take apart many parts to succeed. So the good news is that I have my scooter working again but the bad news is that I don't know how to open the seat should this happen again.
Before I realized that these emergency keys are coded, I rushed to buy one online (from China) and received it today. Interestingly, the envelope came with a plastic "key", 4 small magnets that are to be inserted in 4 of 6 holes in the hexagonal head of the key and a sticker meant to cover the key head to prevent the magnets from falling out.
I suspect that the codes given with the emergency key simply relate to the magnets sequence set at the factory, which is only 15 possible combinations IF the polarity of the magnets doesn't matter. For example, my emergency key code is 35117-K40-F3 but I'm sure there are dozens if not hundreds or thousands of codes that can open my seat, provided the magnets sequence is the same.
What I find puzzling is how the emergency key activates the cable that opens the seat when the battery is dead. My understanding from watching a YT video is that the process is mechanical, not electrical. If anyone has ever opened the back of the emergency key slot on the scooter I'd be interested to know how it works. I imagine the seat cable is wound around a pulley with the emergency key slot as the axle, so that a small counter clockwise turn is all that's needed to pull on the cable and open the seat. However, the axel cannot turn until magnets located in a particular sequence around that axle move forward, attracted by the magnets in the emergency key.
At least that's how I envision it... could be way off. In any case, tomorrow I will try to open my seat with the emergency key, moving the magnets around until I find the correct sequence and will report back on my findings.
So I brought the scooter to a shop where, after several hours, they managed to open the seat. I don't know how, but apparently they had to take apart many parts to succeed. So the good news is that I have my scooter working again but the bad news is that I don't know how to open the seat should this happen again.
Before I realized that these emergency keys are coded, I rushed to buy one online (from China) and received it today. Interestingly, the envelope came with a plastic "key", 4 small magnets that are to be inserted in 4 of 6 holes in the hexagonal head of the key and a sticker meant to cover the key head to prevent the magnets from falling out.
I suspect that the codes given with the emergency key simply relate to the magnets sequence set at the factory, which is only 15 possible combinations IF the polarity of the magnets doesn't matter. For example, my emergency key code is 35117-K40-F3 but I'm sure there are dozens if not hundreds or thousands of codes that can open my seat, provided the magnets sequence is the same.
What I find puzzling is how the emergency key activates the cable that opens the seat when the battery is dead. My understanding from watching a YT video is that the process is mechanical, not electrical. If anyone has ever opened the back of the emergency key slot on the scooter I'd be interested to know how it works. I imagine the seat cable is wound around a pulley with the emergency key slot as the axle, so that a small counter clockwise turn is all that's needed to pull on the cable and open the seat. However, the axel cannot turn until magnets located in a particular sequence around that axle move forward, attracted by the magnets in the emergency key.
At least that's how I envision it... could be way off. In any case, tomorrow I will try to open my seat with the emergency key, moving the magnets around until I find the correct sequence and will report back on my findings.
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mymitzi
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Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
A former member did a work around with a cord attached to the mechanism that releases the seat on a PCX. He has a write up with pictures on this
site. If your Forza has the "mechanically" actuated emergency opener, you should be able to rig something up in a discreet location to open the
seat, if needed. Said article may go by "emergency seat opener" or some such. I'll attempt to find it.......and post link if I do.
site. If your Forza has the "mechanically" actuated emergency opener, you should be able to rig something up in a discreet location to open the
seat, if needed. Said article may go by "emergency seat opener" or some such. I'll attempt to find it.......and post link if I do.
Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
Thanks, that would be quite helpful. It's incredible that Honda isn't offering a simple and secure way to replace the emergency keys.
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Austins
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Re: 2018 Forza 300 nightmare
That magnets arrangement is very easy to figure out, look on YouTube , all old model Forza and many other bikes had this mechanism to cover ignition hole, it's the same.
From what I've seen, they put each pin on the body of lock, if it stick/attracted it means pin has to be inserted in the key like that in same position, each position may or may not have a pin, hence the combination.
When I lost my key on old Forza model which had this mrchsmism on the back of it, a Thai key cutter took 10 minutes to arrange the pins in duplicate key for me, so these are not that safe.
By the way, I don't think they sell Forza in hundreds of thousands to worry about many keys matching each other...!lol
From what I've seen, they put each pin on the body of lock, if it stick/attracted it means pin has to be inserted in the key like that in same position, each position may or may not have a pin, hence the combination.
When I lost my key on old Forza model which had this mrchsmism on the back of it, a Thai key cutter took 10 minutes to arrange the pins in duplicate key for me, so these are not that safe.
By the way, I don't think they sell Forza in hundreds of thousands to worry about many keys matching each other...!lol